JR: You speak around the country about the need to grow and disciple leaders within local churches. Briefly, how do you understand biblical leadership?
MH: Paul speaks in Philippians 1 and 2 Corinthians 1 about working with people for their progress and joy in God, so that they grow firm in their faith and have abundant joy in Christ. That’s a great, simple definition of spiritual leadership. You don’t have to think very hard to see why a church that is standing firm in their faith and full of godly joy is going to be a beacon for the gospel.
JR: That is quite a different understanding to running meetings or managing the organisation of the church.
